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 Post subject: CMS 330 vs COMBATSS-21
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:10 am 
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Being a grumpy old 20st century Neanderthal "Scope Dope" who started out with SPS-10s, SPS-40s, SPA-8, SPA 25s, SPQ23s, status boards and vertical plots, DRTs, "Mo" Boards, grease pencils and writing backward Combat systems still intrigue me.

Just read an article, (excerpts below), on the Upgrade of the Canadian Halifax class frigates that referenced the CMS 330 and COMBATSS-2
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CMS 330
The Combat Management System 330, called CMS 330, is the newest system for the navies of Canada, New Zealand and Chile. This technology allows them to carry out multiple operations while keeping an unblinking eye on near-by, evolving threats.

This Canadian designed system will play a crucial role in keeping a naval unit intact and functioning in the face of the enemy. Missions will range from protecting the Arctic border to patrolling the South Pacific.
CMS 330 works by integrating signals from different radars, sensors and weapon systems to develop a complete picture of the ship’s surrounding environment. This provides sailors with the situational awareness and intelligence to quickly react.

A key aspect of the system is that it was designed to interact with other systems from navies of friendly countries. This means other countries can incorporate the system with their fleets’ software and hardware.
CMS 330 is one of the most modern naval combat management systems in the world with its state-of-the-art technology and interfaces.

“CMS 330 is the perfect solution for platforms with sophisticated weapon and sensor systems that must deliver maximum performance operating in a multi-national coalition task group or standalone environment.” said Gary Fudge, vice president of Canadian Naval Programs at Lockheed Martin Canada.


COMBATSS-21 is the combat management system currently installed on the U.S. Navy’s Freedom-variant littoral combat ships (LCS). The system enables the ship to defend itself by integrating radars, electronic warfare, electro-optical infrared cameras, gun fire control, countermeasures (devices designed to deceive detection systems), and short-range anti-air missiles.

The system will also be expanded to work with new technology and weapons on the Navy’s future Frigate.
It’s derived from the Aegis Weapon System, and built from the Common Source Library (CSL), a software repository that allows for sharing and reuse of code—without an additional cost. This way, when software is developed, debugged or upgraded, it can quickly be released across a fleet, similar to how smartphones receive app updates.
“With the Common Source Library, as sensors and weapons evolve, the software that supports them requires minimal development and minimal crew training in order to adapt to new interfaces,” said David Kugler, COMBATSS-21 program manager. “At the most basic level, CSL is a baseline code capable of being tailored to work with unique ship configurations.”

And with this open architecture, navies can easily add, upgrade or swap defense components—ultimately allowing them to stay ahead of the technology curve.

Both CMS 330 and COMBATSS-21 support Lockheed Martin’s commitment to keep sailors safe as they defend freedom and global interests on the high seas—now and in the future.

It appears these are both Lockheed Martin’s products so:
1. How do you evaluate them against each other
2. Are they really the same system with some external tweaks to satisfy their Canadian, New Zealand and Chile customers?

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Halifax class upgrade on finals [CANSEC2016D2]
Richard Scott 26 May 2016

Canada’s C$4.3 billion Halifax Class Modernization (HCM)/ Frigate Equipment Life Extension (FELEX) programme is approaching its conclusion, with nine out of the 12 frigates returned to service, and the last refit now in its final stages.

The Royal Canadian Navy’s (RCN’s) Halifax class frigates, commissioned between 1992 and 1996, were originally designed for anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare in the open reaches of the deep ocean. Under the HCM/FELEX project, the ships are receiving both a combat systems upgrade (including a new command and control system, new sensors and electronic warfare systems and upgraded communications) and a planned mid-life overhaul to ensure that they remain effective for the remainder of their service lives.

While planning, preparation and co-ordination of the HCM/ FELEX project began back in 2002, it was not until November 2008 that Lockheed Martin Canada Mission Systems and Training was brought under contract as prime contractor and Combat System Integration (CSI) and in-service support agent. Under the C$2 billion CSI contract, Lockheed Martin Canada is taking responsibility for the development, integration and test of a new CMS, together with the procurement integration of new radars, ESM, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) equipment, and a multi-link data processor. The company is additionally responsible for redesign of ship compartments and structures, modifications to the operations room, and the provision of a suite of simulation/ training systems, and is also integrating other sensors and weapons acquired under prior standalone programmes. This would indicate to me that CMS-330 is really a Canadianized version of COMBATSS-21

Upgraded combat system At the core of the upgraded combat system is the upgraded CMS330 command and control system, which introduces open architecture and functionality from Saab’s 9LV Mk 4 CMS line.
If my understand of the "Open architecture" aspect of COMBATSS-21 incorporating the Saab’s 9LV (another open architecture product) would be pretty simple. Another Journalist without a clue what he/she/it is writing?

The SPS-49 2D long range air search radar is replaced by the Thales Nederland SMART-S Mk 2 E/F-band 3D surveillance radar, while the two legacy STIR 1.8 firecontrol radars are replaced by a pair of Saab Ceros 200 re-control radars. The existing Sea Giraffe 150HC is also being enhanced by Saab to improve performance in high clutter environments.

Other key equipments being introduced under the scope of the HCM/FELEX programme comprise a Telephonics IFF Mode 5/S interrogator, the Elisra NS9003A-V2HC ESM system (replacing the SLQ-501 CANEWS suite), an IBM multi-link (Link 11, Link 16 and Link 22 enabled) datalink processing system, and two Raytheon Anschütz Pathfinder Mk II navigation radars.

Lockheed Martin Canada is also responsible for integrating other equipments (acquired separately by the Canadian government and supplied to the programme as government-furnished materiel) into the upgraded combat system.

For example, a tailored variant of Rheinmetall’s Multi-Ammunition So kill System (MASS), known as MASS_DUERAS, has been procured to replace the obsolete Plessey Shield decoy system.

BAE Systems Bofors is upgrading existing 57mm Mk 2 guns to Mk 3 standard.

New 3P ‘smart’ pre-fragmented programmable ammunition is being introduced commensurate with the Mk 3 upgrade. Other weapons integrated as part of the HCM/FELEX upgrade include the Harpoon Block II surface-to- surface guided weapon, the Phalanx Block 1B close-in weapon system, and the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile point defence missile system.

Refit streams HCM/FELEX refit streams have been established on both the Paci c and Atlantic coasts. To date, HMCS Halifax, HMCS Fredericton, HMCS Calgary, HMCS Winnipeg, HMCS Montreal, HMCS Vancouver, HMCS Charlottetown, HMCS St John’s and HMCS Ottawa have all been cycled through the upgrade and returned to operations. HMCS Ville de Quebec completed her modernisation in late 2015, but has yet to return to operations.

In April 2016, HMCS Regina, the fifth and final frigate on the west coast to complete its modernisation by Seaspan’s Victoria Shipyard, was returned to the RCN to complete sea trials.

HMCS Toronto, the seventh and final east coast frigate, and the last of the 12 ships to go through the HCM/FELEX modernisation, is due to complete its refit at Irving Shipbuilding’s Halifax Shipyard in the third quarter of this year.

Following acceptance of Toronto, corresponding sea trials and project close-out activities are expected to be completed by January 2018.

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FELEX was only to keep industrial currency, not to add new capabilities. It's basically DELEX but 30 years later.

Both of these programs as well as TRUMP are why I'm really skeptical of major "upgrades".

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"SPS-10s, SPS-40s, SPA-8, SPA 25s, SPQ23s, status boards and vertical plots, DRTs, "Mo" Boards, grease pencils and writing backward Combat systems still intrigue me. "

ah yes.

I initially qualified on a SPA-8 and an SPS-30.

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Nightwatch2 wrote:
"SPS-10s, SPS-40s, SPA-8, SPA 25s, SPQ23s, status boards and vertical plots, DRTs, "Mo" Boards, grease pencils and writing backward Combat systems still intrigue me. "

ah yes.

I initially qualified on a SPA-8 and an SPS-30.

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SPS-30?
Was that the big parabolic dish and horizontal spar on bird farms and old converted CGs?
That was a combo Air Search and height finder right?

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OSCSSW wrote:
Nightwatch2 wrote:
"SPS-10s, SPS-40s, SPA-8, SPA 25s, SPQ23s, status boards and vertical plots, DRTs, "Mo" Boards, grease pencils and writing backward Combat systems still intrigue me. "

ah yes.

I initially qualified on a SPA-8 and an SPS-30.

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SPS-30?
Was that the big parabolic dish and horizontal spar on bird farms and old converted CGs?
That was a combo Air Search and height finder right?


I don't recall the height finder.

The one I used was on Pt Loma at the AIC School and was just 2D

The regular shipboard installation was a 3D that worked as you describe

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Luxuries! I started with an SPS-12. It had a habit of arcing out through people's arms if they pointed at the radar cabinet. My first job on ship was to count the vacuum tubes for the SPG-48. They were all labeled in Polish....

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