History, Politics And Current Affairs

Opinions expressed here are personal views of contributors and do not necessarily represent the companies, organizations or governments they work for. Nor do they necessarily represent those of the Board Administration.
It is currently Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:03 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:54 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:29 pm
Posts: 5285
Lordroel wrote:
Question why is the Netherlands build and operated Fokker T.V bomber not mention in the list, it is almost in comparison to the Swedish Saab 18 bomber.

I forgot it. It's in now along with the Polish PZL-37.

_________________
There are 550 million firearms in the world, enough for one person in twelve of the world's population. The moral dilemma that faces us is how to arm the other eleven.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:58 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:29 pm
Posts: 5285
Johnnie Lyle wrote:
Why is the A-6 rating so low? Lack of PGMs?

It's slow, defenseless and isn't as stable as its U.S. Navy competitors.

_________________
There are 550 million firearms in the world, enough for one person in twelve of the world's population. The moral dilemma that faces us is how to arm the other eleven.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:46 pm 
Offline
Current Holder of the Cement Bicycle

Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:51 pm
Posts: 8136
Location: Coventry
Is the F-111 so high up due to it's speed/payload combination?

_________________
If Jefferson provided the essential poetry of American political discourse, Hamilton established the prose of American statecraft.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:37 pm
Posts: 7562
Location: BM-9, BB-30
It's interesting that the Los comes in higher than all the Flying Pencils and all but the very latest He 111s.

_________________
RLBH wrote:
I'm sorry, but I prefer to carpet-shark my enemies. Much more mayhem, though it must be admitted that the laser-guided shark is cheaper.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:37 pm 
Offline
Current Holder of the Cement Bicycle

Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:51 pm
Posts: 8136
Location: Coventry
How do the modern German variants on the Tornado hold up btw?

_________________
If Jefferson provided the essential poetry of American political discourse, Hamilton established the prose of American statecraft.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:57 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:49 pm
Posts: 10917
Winston Smith wrote:
Is the F-111 so high up due to it's speed/payload combination?

Speed, long range, payload, superb EW fit and excellent nav-attack system.

Quote:
How do the modern German variants on the Tornado hold up btw?


Pretty much the same as the GR.4

_________________
Nations do not survive by setting examples for others.
Nations survive by making examples of others


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:35 pm
Posts: 1593
Did I miss the Buccaneer in some other category?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:55 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:49 pm
Posts: 10917
NewGolconda wrote:
Did I miss the Buccaneer in some other category?

It's in the next group.

_________________
Nations do not survive by setting examples for others.
Nations survive by making examples of others


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 14349
Location: PCE(R)-857
Frank Underwood wrote:
Johnnie Lyle wrote:
Why is the A-6 rating so low? Lack of PGMs?

It's slow, defenseless and isn't as stable as its U.S. Navy competitors.


So why did it stay in service so long? Bombload?

_________________
Shepard: "What kind of weapons does this thing have?"
Liara T'Soni: "It's a taxi; it has a fare meter!"


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:14 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:41 am
Posts: 6361
Location: Cambs, UK
At a guess, accuracy, bombload, avionics were rather advanced, and a whole s**tpot of money had been thrown at it to keep it in service, too much maybe to cut the program with no suitable replacement* in the wings?

(* naval of course. Alternative aircraft might be better.)

_________________
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Bernard, Ministers should never know more than they need to. Then they can't tell anyone. Like secret agents, they could be captured, tortured.
Bernard Woolley: You mean by terrorists?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: By the BBC, Bernard.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:43 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:49 pm
Posts: 10917
Johnnie Lyle wrote:
Frank Underwood wrote:
Johnnie Lyle wrote:
Why is the A-6 rating so low? Lack of PGMs?

It's slow, defenseless and isn't as stable as its U.S. Navy competitors.


So why did it stay in service so long? Bombload?

Basically, what Craig said. It had a big bombload, could carry it a long way and had a good nav-attack system. As long as it could operate at night, it was OK. In daylight, it needed a lot of support.

Also, its worth noting that its partner was the A-4 Skyhawk. When the A-7 came along with much of the same capabilities as the A-6, the latter became less attractive. I have a hunch that the real "replacement" for the A-6 was the A-7 and the A-7 put the idea into people's minds that a shorter-ranged bird would be acceptable.

_________________
Nations do not survive by setting examples for others.
Nations survive by making examples of others


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:41 am
Posts: 6361
Location: Cambs, UK
Interestingly the A-6 is in the same score region as the Tin Triangle.

_________________
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Bernard, Ministers should never know more than they need to. Then they can't tell anyone. Like secret agents, they could be captured, tortured.
Bernard Woolley: You mean by terrorists?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: By the BBC, Bernard.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:11 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:44 pm
Posts: 884
In the USAF (and predecessors) list, I don't see the B-57 (license built version of the RAF Canberra). My recollection is that it was chosen over the B-45, but I see the B-45 has a higher rating than the two earlier models of RAF Canberra-- since B-45 production stopped early, it was never developed, so it seems plausible that a later version of the B-45 might have increased its rating much as the Canberra B.8 improved over its earlier versions.
Is there a story here I ought to know about?

(Hmmm. I don't think many of my recent posts to HPCA have expressed my appreciation for the site: for the record, I am VERY grateful to Stuart for the work that went into these aircraft rating tables!)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group