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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:18 pm 
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I'm almost done with USS Tennessee as she appeared at Pearl Harbor, so its time to get serious about the next project. My candidates, and I realize that I've always been partial to Japanese ships, they're more "interesting" in my opinion.

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Yamato
Fuso

I keep going around about which ones next, this morning I discovered that Amazon has both the Battlecruiser and three deck versions of Agaki, I already have the last version. I'm thinking of blowing about $70 and getting both of them.

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Yes. Yes, you should.

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO1 like Ted said

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I'l third Fuso!
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I'd vote for the three-deck version of Akagi. that's . . . . interesting.

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Jeff Thomas wrote:
I'm almost done with USS Tennessee as she appeared at Pearl Harbor, so its time to get serious about the next project. My candidates, and I realize that I've always been partial to Japanese ships, they're more "interesting" in my opinion.

The list:
Yamato
Fuso

I keep going around about which ones next, this morning I discovered that Amazon has both the Battlecruiser and three deck versions of Agaki, I already have the last version. I'm thinking of blowing about $70 and getting both of them.

Any thoughts?

If you do FUSO, you have to do ISE in her 1942 fit, and ARKANSAS in her 1943 fit, and have them moored together off snickering about how stylish turret farms are looking this season.

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HMS Agincourt? :twisted:


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HMS Agincourt? :twisted:


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HMS Agincourt? :twisted:

How about a model of a notionally modified Type 26 / Type 45 hybrid christened with a name that's in the same genre of names as HMS Invincible, HMS Indefatigable, HMS Indomitable, HMS Illustrious, HMS Irresistible, etc. etc. etc ..... HMS Irreconcilable. (Or maybe her notional sister ship HMS Irredeemable.)

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With all due respect to the RN's recent SSBN follies, I propose that the class include HMS Irresponsible.

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With all due respect to the RN's recent SSBN follies, I propose that the class include HMS Irresponsible.

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It'd need to have a V-name... VOLUPTUOUS?

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I see people propose carrers and battleships. Why not both at the same time? The battleship Ise in her 1944 configuration. :geek:

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I see people propose carrers and battleships. Why not both at the same time? The battleship Ise in her 1944 configuration. :geek:

Insufficiently ridiculous.

I nominate HMS FURIOUS. You would be too if an 18" gun happened to you.

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I nominate HMS FURIOUS. You would be too if an 18" gun happened to you.

You do mean with the flight deck forward and the 18 inch gun aft don't you?

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I thought she was rather cuddly like this.

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Johnnie Lyle wrote:
M.Becker wrote:
I see people propose carrers and battleships. Why not both at the same time? The battleship Ise in her 1944 configuration. :geek:

Insufficiently ridiculous.

I nominate HMS FURIOUS. You would be too if an 18" gun happened to you.


Fat chance of that thing ever hitting another ship. If I were a railway bridge in Belgium I'd be terrified though.

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M.Becker wrote:
Johnnie Lyle wrote:
M.Becker wrote:
I see people propose carrers and battleships. Why not both at the same time? The battleship Ise in her 1944 configuration. :geek:

Insufficiently ridiculous.

I nominate HMS FURIOUS. You would be too if an 18" gun happened to you.


Fat chance of that thing ever hitting another ship. If I were a railway bridge in Belgium I'd be terrified though.


Well, the improbable troika of "large light cruisers" were the last and final word when it comes to 30+ knot shallow-draught monitors. Ship-hitting optional. And I don't know what they were smoking when they drew up the specifications for the things but i want some.


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Well, the improbable troika of "large light cruisers" were the last and final word when it comes to 30+ knot shallow-draught monitors. Ship-hitting optional. And I don't know what they were smoking when they drew up the specifications for the things but i want some.

They weren't shallow-draught monitors at all (well, maybe FURIOUS, but that was a late change) but light battlecruisers.

The design logic went thusly:

Jackie Fisher was very aware that the INVINCIBLE class were obsolete - too slow and too lightly armed. Replacements would need 15-inch guns and 30-knot speed. Shallow draught would help with the latter, and he had devised a revolutionary new gunnery system that would allow for quick hitting with only a 4-gun battery. Armour, of course, was a nice-to-have. Skillful ship handling, high speed and good gunnery would make heavy armour unnecessary, therefore all that was needed was protection against light weapons on flotilla craft.

Simultaneously, Winston Churchill was scheming to land in the Baltic with 60,000 men, who could only plausibly be landed from large, shallow-draught ships. Rather like those that Fisher was proposing. The 15-inch guns weren't required for this job, as flotilla craft would handle sea control. They might well have added to the fire support, but not necessarily.

Conveniently, Fisher needed six to replace the six INVINCIBLE class, and they could carry about 10,000 men each. Job's a good 'un. The first two were built as originally designed using turrets available from cancelled capital ships.

Then the mine and torpedo threat became apparent, so the design was revised to improve protection and with a more effective secondary battery. This resulted in the FURIOUS class, of which only one was built of four planned. The designed armament was still four 15-inch guns.

Enter Winston again. He now had a plan to shell the High Seas Fleet at anchor. This needed a shallow-draught, fast ship with big guns. The 15-incher wasn't big enough, but Armstrong's could make a 18-inch gun that was, in a turret that would fit in the existing barbettes. So, FURIOUS - by now a singleton ship - was fitted with them at build. After she'd sunk the HSF single-handed, she'd be rearmed with her 15-inch guns, which went into storage.

Obviously none of this happened as planned, but it makes a lot of sense of the weird design logic.

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Francis Urquhart wrote:
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I nominate HMS FURIOUS. You would be too if an 18" gun happened to you.

You do mean with the flight deck forward and the 18 inch gun aft don't you?

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I thought she was rather cuddly like this.

Aye, though she also has a certain charm in her second incarnation as an aircraft carrier: http://www.steelnavy.com/LCPFuriousJB.htm

Whatever happened to her in the TBO verse?

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