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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:19 pm 
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Silicon Valley elites are spending $60 for less than 3 gallons of dangerous, unfiltered water — and it's flying off the shelves
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Live Water is flying off the shelves — but it could be dangerous. Live Water

People in San Francisco are spending up to $61 for untreated, unfiltered water — and it is so popular that stores are apparently having a hard time keeping it in stock.
Other Silicon Valley insiders are gathering and storing untreated spring water, The New York Times reported.
But food-safety experts say that consuming "raw" water can lead to infections such as cholera, hepatitis A, and E. coli.


Silicon Valley is developing a "raw water" obsession.

In San Francisco, "unfiltered, untreated, unsterilized spring water" from a company called Live Water is selling for up to $61 for a 2.5-gallon jug — and it's flying off the shelves, The New York Times reported.

Startups dedicated to untreated water are also gaining steam. Zero Mass Water, which doesn't sell raw water but sells tech that allows people to collect water from the atmosphere near their homes, has already raised $24 million in venture capital, the report says.

People are gathering gallons of untreated water from natural springs, venturing out onto private property by night to get the water, according to The Times.

Doug Evans, the founder of a startup called Juicero that shut down in September, told The Times that he and his friends brought 50 gallons of raw water to the Burning Man festival last year.

"I'm extreme about health, I know, but I'm not alone with this," Evans said. "There are a lot of people doing this with me. You never know who you'll run into at the spring."

On Tuesday, Business Insider's Melia Robinson visited a San Francisco supermarket where Live Water sells its untreated water. Rainbow Grocery was sold out of its Fountain of Truth spring water, but a sign indicated a "slight price increase.">

The cost of a 2.5-gallon jug had increased to $61 from $37 since The Times published its article on Friday.

While the price includes the glass container, a refill costs only $15, according to The Times.

Though fans of the untreated water are not backed by science, many told The Times they felt confident they were getting health benefits from drinking it.

For example, Mukhande Singh, the founder of Live Water, told the publication his startup's water expired after a few months — something he said was normal for "real water."

"It stays most fresh within one lunar cycle of delivery," Singh said. "If it sits around too long, it'll turn green. People don't even realize that because all their water's dead, so they never see it turn green."

However, food-safety experts say there is no evidence that untreated water is better for you. In fact, they say that drinking untreated water could be dangerous.

"Almost everything conceivable that can make you sick can be found in water," one such expert, Bill Marler, told Business Insider. That includes bacteria that can cause diseases or infections such as cholera, E. coli, hepatitis A, and giardia.

"You can't stop consenting adults from being stupid," Marler said. "But we should at least try."


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That product should be banned on consumer safety grounds.


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"I'm extreme about health. . . " Evans said.

But a bit vague on how it works. I'd ask if they're stupid or something, but the answer is self-evident.


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Okay, somebody send him a Darwin Award application, plus a catalogue from any outdoor supplies specialist who does water purification products...

Um, what have the FDA said about this ? Or are they just hoping such ijits kill themselves off, let their kin sue the socks off those suppliers and incidentally raise the average Californian CSQ ('Common Sense Quotient') by a couple of points ??

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I'd have thought the risk of any harm depends rather strongly on the bottling company's testing methodology. I'd be drawing the water off from the source into a large tank, leave it to settle while checking for contaminants, then bottle it if it is clean.


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I work somewhere full of this type of person and they are perpetually shocked and horrified that I drink tap water rather than bottled spring water or at least tap water that has been run through an expensive local filter. Funny how these things eat their own tails.

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I'd have thought the risk of any harm depends rather strongly on the bottling company's testing methodology.

It turns green after a month, which is sold as a feature rather than a bug. I don't think testing is part of the process.


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Shhh.... not so loud. It's a plot to kill off Democrats!! :mrgreen:

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Shhh.... not so loud. It's a plot to kill off Democrats!! :mrgreen:



I don't think we're that smart. Could the Dems be thinning the herd?

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I'd be drawing the water off from the source into a large tank, leave it to settle while checking for contaminants, then bottle it if it is clean.

As mentioned, the fact it's full of crud is the explict marketing pitch. "Settling" would be tantamount to "filtration", and that makes the water "dead", dontcha know.

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I work somewhere full of this type of person and they are perpetually shocked and horrified that I drink tap water rather than bottled spring water or at least tap water that has been run through an expensive local filter. Funny how these things eat their own tails.

But tap water runs through pipes and has fluoride to contaminate your precious bodily fluids!

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My town tap water turns green after a reasonable period of time, in the sun.

So,that doesn't prove much in itself.

I'd have thought with product liability etc they would find it very hard to get insured unless they had some ongoing QC going.

I'm not going to get too precious about drinking water, I grew up drinking from streams, and at my off grid house we drink rainwater. I'm thinking about putting a marshland filter system in, basically a bed of reeds and bullrushes, hopefully chock full of froglets worms and beetles.


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To be honest, I only have a limited amount of sympathy for people with too much money and not enough common sense making credible attempts to kill themselves slowly and unpleasantly. Any children or vulnerable adults in the care of said rich idiots are where my concern lies....

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My town tap water turns green after a reasonable period of time, in the sun.

So,that doesn't prove much in itself.


Which is 1. why bottled, distilled ("DEEEEEEEEADDDDDD!!!!111!!") water is what should be drunk, and 2. assuming that's "in a closed container" then you really should tell the local water authority because that is not supposed to happen.

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Much of our nation's water supply is untreated. I live in a semi rural area, off the end of the water grid. We have a well. Nasty water, it is hard enough to drive nails with and irony. That's a common combination in well water, BTW. I drink it untreated. So does just about everybody else.

Natural springs are a bit more iffy, but there was one just outside Fairbanks, AK, where many people come to fill up their 55 gallon drums and jerry cans. Someone enclosed it and added a pipe on the side of the road. In the winter the Highway Department cleans the ice mound off the road periodically. Some people on city water frequent the spring because the water tastes better. Groundwater is generally biologically clean.

Surface water is iffy, depending a lot on who is upstream.

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And as DPRK News said two days ago:
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"Raw water" movement in US California province, promoting health through drinking of water contaminated by cholera, giardia, and vibrio, exceeds idiocy of anti-vaccination movement.


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When even Norkland sounds more reasonable than you....

That said, over here the quality of your Tapwater depends mostly on the age of the pipes in your house.

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the quality of your Tapwater depends mostly on the age of the pipes in your house.


And on the quality of the mains. Remember Flint, Michigan.

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I find it funny how modern Leftists are so obsessed with the natural when it's normally a quality conservatives are obsessed with.

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It's natural, so it must be healthy.


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the quality of your Tapwater depends mostly on the age of the pipes in your house.


And on the quality of the mains. Remember Flint, Michigan.



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