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 Post subject: Re: Orville Episode 7
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:08 pm 
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Happy Day everyone.

Orville is renewed.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-orville-season-2/


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:39 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:14 pm 
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Congrats to all those involved on a second season.

Episode 8 "Into the Fold" wasn't great, formulaic "part of the crew gets lost in a shuttle crash" that we've seen in Star Trek many times. Not surprising, considering written and directed by our good friend Brannon Braga. Take aways:

Kids on the ship. Bad. TNG had that for a little while and it's an idiotic idea. Known space is dangerous enough, being an explorer on the frontiers is just stupid, especially with the Krill around. Braga's idea no doubt. Now maybe they were just visiting while the ship undergoes a small refit and maintenance, but I didn't get that vibe.
Listening to music while working is what almost everybody does when they can, great to see the rest of the crew doing that while they do maintenance on the ship (even if the artist was not to my taste).
Great, natural comedy in the Data style by Isaac, but done better in my opinion.
Navigation array down for maintenance, "then do it the old fashioned way with star charts" orders the Captain. Second start to the right, I suppose.
The damage report was great (there's a drama queen in every unit).
The Doctor can be one cold-hearted lady when she needs to be. Exactly as you would be in her situation. And a total hypocrite too. Surprised at the realism on both counts.
Good to see they'll probably help out the remaining population, none of this "non-interference" BS where the Federation leaves people hanging they could easily help.
Little screen time, again, for the Captain. Glad to see the naysayers "MacFarlane's ego will ruin the show" chant to be false.

So not a bad episode, not a great one either, still better than any STD episode.

Supposed to be a Star Trek alumni in the next episode, looking forward to it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:30 pm 
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Best Way EVER to deal with a frapping annoying video game :twisted:
Needs to be in the manual
Isaac > Data


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:49 pm 
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Bortus once again gets the best line of the episode... “Entering glory hole”

Issac's polite specisism is starting to grow on me.


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Does anyone else think that Isaac is a better execution of the concept of Data than Data was?

Watching The Orville and reflecting back in TNG, Isaac makes more sense than Data. Data was constantly learning pretty basic stuff about human interaction. And that was after being found and being around scientists for a few years, attending Starfleet Academy, serving on other ships before the Enterprise, and working his way up to Lieutenant Commander. As an exchange officer who really is brand new to humans, those learning moments just seem more plausible with Isaac.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:46 pm 
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They key, is that Isaac is NOT annoying
S1 Data? Would have happily shot him in the face with any number of deadly weapons


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KenH wrote:
They key, is that Isaac is NOT annoying
S1 Data? Would have happily shot him in the face with any number of deadly weapons


Totally right. Actually I think Isaac would shoot him in the face and then declare that "he is never to be spoken of again." :lol:

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Considering Isaac regards US, as barely sentient gorrila's ... he'd look at Data as a cute wind-up toy :D


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KenH wrote:
They key, is that Isaac is NOT annoying
S1 Data? Would have happily shot him in the face with any number of deadly weapons


Who in the first couple seasons of TNG weren't annoying???

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Beastro wrote:
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They key, is that Isaac is NOT annoying
S1 Data? Would have happily shot him in the face with any number of deadly weapons


Who in the first couple seasons of TNG weren't annoying???


Tasha Yar?

And she died...

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The Bushranger wrote:
Beastro wrote:
KenH wrote:
They key, is that Isaac is NOT annoying
S1 Data? Would have happily shot him in the face with any number of deadly weapons


Who in the first couple seasons of TNG weren't annoying???


Tasha Yar?

And she died...

IMO Commander Grayson (Adrianne Palicki) is much better looking than either Lieutenant Tasha or Counselor Troi - and that's even without the slutwear Marina Sirtis had to put on.


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DaveAAA wrote:
The Bushranger wrote:
Beastro wrote:

Who in the first couple seasons of TNG weren't annoying???


Tasha Yar?

And she died...

IMO Commander Grayson (Adrianne Palicki) is much better looking than either Lieutenant Tasha or Counselor Troi - and that's even without the slutwear Marina Sirtis had to put on.


Palicki is a very pretty lady for sure. Sirtis was very hot indeed back in the 90s and early noughties- but totally different look. 6’ blue eyed blonde vs 5’ curvy Greek brunette.

Not that I’ve put much thought into it you understand.

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 Post subject: Re: Orville Episode 7
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:01 pm 
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tl:dr Orville may have jumped the shark.

Well, latest episode, let's just call it "The Abomination" is out.

And I hate it.

Looks like a week is a long time in politics, sports, and showbiz amongst other things.

The female "writer" of this episode has done the impossible - make Braga's writing look like that of a genius. To be fair, the plot is classic Star Trek, but the execution was.......I'm actually disgusted by it.

When this show was first announced, the naysayers I spoke of last episode said we'd get "Family Guy in Space". We didn't, thankfully. Until now. In fact, we didn't even get "Family Guy in Space". We got "The Disgusting Part of Family Guy, But Without any Actual Humor, In Space".

It's neither clever or funny to have the XO blow off an important diplomatic meeting where untold lives are at stake just so she can have sex. And it's not clever or funny to actually see the Doctor and The Gelatinous Lifeform engaging in intercourse.

And I don't think we needed to see a naked Merer in bed with that blue alien, played by Rob Lowe (whose character was just generic Rob Lowe painted blue, seems that's the extent of his acting).

And on that blue alien, it appears all this sex was the result of him being "in heat". Which he knew about, knew what would happen, and took advantage of it. People "lost control" so he could get sex "which my culture says is rude to reject". I bet it does. He basically drugged people into having sex, isn't that a form of rape?

It seems the naysayers were right. MacFarlane couldn't help himself and he just had to go too far. There was no need for it. The exact same points could have been made through inference and allusion, where the audience has to think about what's going on.

But the final straw came when the crew of the Orville (and I can't even remember whose decision it was, but the Captain was handing out commendations later), drugged the two (male) Ambassadors with a more potent version of the blue aliens drug to "stop a war". Idiotic. You may have stopped the two factions fighting a battle, right now, but once the drug wears off you're going to have two mightily pissed off Ambassadors, and they may even put aside their differences to come after the Union, or at least the Orville.

Good job.

That was their only solution to stop the battle. Actually it wasn't, there was a typical Star Trek solution offered (something about extending deflectors to create a barrier between the two fleets, BS but exactly what you'd see in an actual ST episode), but they went with the "drug the Ambassadors" route instead.

So cutting edge, so progressive...

But what lost me as a viewer (a full day later almost and I'm still mad about it) was that there was NO negative consequences for anybody, at least on the Union side. Blue alien went back from whence he came, no harm no foul, and there wasn't even any introspection by the Captain or XO as to what happened, how they behaved, and what they were going to do about it. And I'm talking about the professional aspects, their personal interactions I could care less about.

I'm not looking forward to the next episode, they've ruined what they'd built over the last 5-6 episodes, and I'm approaching the whole thing with a jaundiced eye.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Jim, I may have hated the episode slightly less than you did. My chief beef was with the Blue Skin alien also.

He knew his finding were critical in stopping a war and he was in heat. Instead of doing his job, it seemed like was more interested in getting laid.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:16 pm 
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It was the first episode that I would rate as bad. Having said that no trek series was without its own bad episodes. Even the best of early TOS and DS9 had its share of stinkers. I'll see what next week brings.

Edited to add. Its more of a missed opportunity episode then anything. The humor was ok but not great, and there really wasn't any time to explore traditional sci-fi themes in the story. And I would have to agree I felt the episode had to have some sort of repercussion for the crew basically chemically raping two ambassadors. (Or a hint of that causing future problems.) Hopefully next week will get back on track.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:04 am 
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The Orville - Firestorm

Orville rebounds with a character building episode. Showing some nice variation from the themes of prior episodes, a lot of creativity was on display here. This is a Alara Kitan episode, and I liked it. I also liked that they do not forget she has super strength while also not making it a deus ex machina. She is super strong, sometimes that helps and sometimes it doesn't.

Things I learned from this episode.

Hobo clowns are more dangerous then normal clowns, since they are hungry.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:11 am 
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I liked this one as well - right up to the last few minutes when the Big Reveal had it all as a hologram simulation. Up to then, it was a superior example of the "Cabin in the Woods" syndrome. The Doctor was the scene-stealer; she made a convincing psychotic killer. She's the breakout acting star based on the last few episodes. Alara did her crisis of self-confidence extremely well.

The ending was disappointing but it was almost inevitable. Once everybody had vanished, it was obvious that it wasn't really happening and the only question left was how?

By the way, I'm not as disillusioned with last week's episode as most people seem to have been. To me, it raised some interesting questions about sexual responsibility that were quite relevant to the scandals that are going down right now. I wonder when it was actually made . . . .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:31 am 
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Alara, is quickly becoming my favourite character
And the Doctor, well I hated her here, but that was good acting for that to happen :D

And, the crew dynamic is really working here. Can you even SEE any of Jean-Luck's band of merry tightasses be so comfortable with each other in S1? Hell, even in S7?? This bunch, is COMFORTABLE working together. Nice work , fellas


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:22 am 
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I think this was the first Holo Deck story that didn't want me to rip the thing out and toss it into space.

Everyone is getting their moment in the limelight.

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