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Am I alone in thinking that the P-47 is the only one that looks right?

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Am I alone in thinking that the P-47 is the only one that looks right?


No not by a long chalk you aren't!!!

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Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII fighters?

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KDahm wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII medium bombers?


They're the right size and payload for a group of B-25s!

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Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII medium bombers?


They're the right size and payload for a group of B-25s!

No, fighters.

As a fit for medium bombers, they'd be a natural, since that's what they're designed for. Except that considering the bombload and range, they would fit very nicely into the heavy bomber role.

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KDahm wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII fighters?

You'd probably want a smaller gun (yes, I did actually say that), but other than that, it would be a perfect fit.

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ByronC wrote:
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Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII fighters?

You'd probably want a smaller gun (yes, I did actually say that), but other than that, it would be a perfect fit.

I don't know, line the A-10 up right and it could probably fire through an entire formation of WW2 bombers. :lol:

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RLBH wrote:
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KDahm wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII fighters?

You'd probably want a smaller gun (yes, I did actually say that), but other than that, it would be a perfect fit.

I don't know, line the A-10 up right and it could probably fire through an entire formation of WW2 bombers. :lol:

Well, yes. But I seem to recall that combat boxes were specifically designed to limit how many airplanes you could hit in one pass.

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RLBH wrote:
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Am I alone in thinking that a group of A-10 would be wonderful WWII fighters?

You'd probably want a smaller gun (yes, I did actually say that), but other than that, it would be a perfect fit.

I don't know, line the A-10 up right and it could probably fire through an entire formation of WW2 bombers. :lol:

Not a problem. Set the A10 up with HE ammo instead of the DU AP. Three to four hits to the center mass to kill a fighter, a few more to the cockpit for a bomber.

A 20mm gun would provide more ammo, but the A10 still has 30 seconds worth and much greater effectiveness. The main problem is the slow spinup.

For some extra fun, put together quad-50's in a flatpack to hang on a hardpoint. One of those on each wing, and the (non-existent) fighter problem is solved. A-10 turn radius: 2700 ft (reportedly), P-51 turn radius 900 ft. A10 climb rate 6000 fpm, P51 4500-3500 fpm.

Some interesting numbers on WWII birds here: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/mustangtest.html, http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/Performance_Data_on_Fighter_Aircraft.pdf

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KDahm wrote:
Not a problem. Set the A10 up with HE ammo instead of the DU AP. Three to four hits to the center mass to kill a fighter, a few more to the cockpit for a bomber.

A 20mm gun would provide more ammo, but the A10 still has 30 seconds worth and much greater effectiveness. The main problem is the slow spinup.

For some extra fun, put together quad-50's in a flatpack to hang on a hardpoint. One of those on each wing, and the (non-existent) fighter problem is solved. A-10 turn radius: 2700 ft (reportedly), P-51 turn radius 900 ft. A10 climb rate 6000 fpm, P51 4500-3500 fpm.

Some interesting numbers on WWII birds here: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/ ... gtest.html, http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/ ... rcraft.pdf


With the GAU-8, you'd only need one hit to destroy a fighter, two, three at most, for a bomber. The USAAF/RAF conducted trials with the Mk108 30mm gun used by the Me262 against static targets, including the wing of a Halifax bomber and a Spitfire. According to notes taken at the time a single round fired at the Spitfire more or less took the rear fuselage off. The problem with the German cannon was its low muzzle velocity. That isn't a problem with the GAU-8.

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can the A-10s hardpoints take gunpods? how much dakka could we theoretically fit onto it?

the recoil of the avenger is already about as much as the max thrust of one of the engines, maybe with a few GPU-5 pods we could get a warthog into a nose-down hover on recoil alone.


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That sounds like fun. Is there someone out there we could suggest the idea to, and have them try it right before they retire the lot?

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I know over Vietnam, A-1 Skyraiders used to carry multiple minigun pods (like six each) for CAS.

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Francis Urquhart wrote:
I know over Vietnam, A-1 Skyraiders used to carry multiple minigun pods (like six each) for CAS.


I'd like to know how that affected IAS ;)

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I'd like to know how that affected IAS ;)


Not well apparently; The aircraft became difficult to control and tended to pitch down which was bad news at low altitude. I believe the configuration was short-lived.

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