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Would be an interesting twist if they went after China.

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Nihon Kezai claims NK's high-ranking KWP official threatened China: "All of China is also within our target range"
Kezai says threat was made & demonstrated by NK official after the firing of solid-fuel IRBM Pukguksong-2 (KN-15) on May 21 from Bukchang-Ri
NK supposedly made the threat by firing KN-15 eastward but showing China's lay of the land by focusing westward.

"NK clearly showed Dalian & Liaodong peninsulas. Bohai & Yellow Seas also shown. NK also deliberately focused on Beijing covered in smog"
Afterwards KJU ordered "mass production" of K-15. Kezai thinks this may have been a veiled threat to Xi Jingping, who's known to despise KJU

Kezai's columnist: "NK may not yet have the precision necessary to strike Washington, DC but it can easily target Beijing w its KN-15 IRBM"
The veiled threat relayed through Pukguksong-2 footage & the actual threat verbalized by KWP official now circulating in China, per Kezai

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1. The 90s famine was caused by sudden withdrawal of Soviet economic aid. It wasn't intentional. The Great Leap Forward was a political terror.
2. It's 2017, not 1998.


Actually both famines were caused by pretty much the exact same cause. A Stalinist economic system that provided absolutely no incentive to grow more food and during the famine in particular actually encouraging the farmers to hide and hoard the food they were growing because the state was trying to pay massively lower prices than the food was worth. The famine was in 1996 and the Soviets stopped sending aid in 1991 so how can the two be related?!?

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https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/ho ... ine-happen

The three year time lag between the withdrawal of Soviet aid and gross starvation is much easier to explain than the fifty year time lag between the adoption of a Marxist-Leninist economic system and gross starvation.

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As for #2. You are going to have to provide more context as to what you are driving at.

I said that NK now is better than the PRC in the past. You seem to be saying that the PRC at its worst was better than NK at its worst. Even if that is true it is besides the point.

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I never said "al Saud sat in the Saudi War Room and ordered the Saudi air force to take out the WTC". But "Saudi did 9/11" is a much more accurate statement than "Afghanistan did 9/11" and far more than "Iraq did 9/11". All Afghanistan did was refuse to hand over some of the culprits. Iraq did nothing at all as best I can gather. It was Saudis who planned it and largely carried it out. Osama bin Laden states that the main aim was to remove US troops from Saudi Arabia, making it a military action launched by Saudis in service of the strategic objectives of the Saudi state. And it was the Saudi state that actively promoted - and continues to promote - the justifications for the attacks.


Agreed that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaida.

The idea that Saudi Arabia and 9/11 are more linked than Afghanistan and 9/11 is so wrong I am not sure where to begin. Saudi Arabia and Al Qaida hate each other guts so much that they were both actively working to destroy each other even before 9/11 let alone after it. The idea that the Saudi government or even the average Saudi citizen doesn't want US troops is flat wrong. The Saudi government is so terrified of an iranian invasion that they pay the us to station troops in the region. (The actual amount is classified so whether it comes close to covering the cost is unknown but probably unlikely considering how much other allies pay for troops on their soil. But the point still stands, they want us so much that they are actually paying money to keep us there.)

Your going to have to provide a cite for the idea that the Saudi government actively and continues to promote justifications for the attacks. Particularly since the Saudi's have been providing both significant funding and air support in the fight against ISIS and for the last year has been actively trying to get permission to include ground troops in the fight.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/32439 ... isis-fight

Al Qaida and the Taliban of Afghanistan are so closely linked that they recently publicly swore allegiance to each other despite the absolute pounding the taliban has received over the last decade. (Link https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2 ... -in-doubt/ ). The former government of Afghanistan did a hell of a lot more than refuse to hand over Osama. They provided funding, logistical support, personnel, secure bases for training and equipping. In short the two were in a full on alliance with each other.

Feel free to make a new thread for this, but it's going well off topic. The original claim I made, that is relevant to the topic of this thread, is that Saudi is more harmful to US interests than NK. Whether Saudi is worse than Afghanistan is besides the point.

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Would be an interesting twist if they went after China.

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Nihon Kezai claims NK's high-ranking KWP official threatened China: "All of China is also within our target range"
Kezai says threat was made & demonstrated by NK official after the firing of solid-fuel IRBM Pukguksong-2 (KN-15) on May 21 from Bukchang-Ri
NK supposedly made the threat by firing KN-15 eastward but showing China's lay of the land by focusing westward.

"NK clearly showed Dalian & Liaodong peninsulas. Bohai & Yellow Seas also shown. NK also deliberately focused on Beijing covered in smog"
Afterwards KJU ordered "mass production" of K-15. Kezai thinks this may have been a veiled threat to Xi Jingping, who's known to despise KJU

Kezai's columnist: "NK may not yet have the precision necessary to strike Washington, DC but it can easily target Beijing w its KN-15 IRBM"
The veiled threat relayed through Pukguksong-2 footage & the actual threat verbalized by KWP official now circulating in China, per Kezai


NK is a violent, deadbeat husband in a small town everyone approaches with a mix of threats and humouring in order to keep him from smashing up the place in a drunken fury.

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DPRK News regarding the eclipse:

Weeping United States peasants leave crops untended, as they urinate upon themselves in terror at Marshal Kim Jong-Un Solar Shade technology.

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A photo of Kim has surfaced viewing what some analysts say is a new solid fuelled SLBM system.

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Snippets from Ankit Panda's reporting:
"Worth tweeting before writing on this. My take: There is likely a new solid fuel SLBM in the works that will be fitted into the GORAE sub."
"We've seen unusual activity at Sinpo (the SLBM development site and GORAE port), including 4x ejection tests."
"Can confirm now that USG sources have told me that the ejection tests involve a *new submarine launch tube* meant for the GORAE."
"There's little else known about this system for now; but it's a new SLBM and likely solid fuel. My guess is we'll see a range extension."

Are things about to get worse?

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Beastro wrote:
Micael wrote:
Would be an interesting twist if they went after China.

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Nihon Kezai claims NK's high-ranking KWP official threatened China: "All of China is also within our target range"
Kezai says threat was made & demonstrated by NK official after the firing of solid-fuel IRBM Pukguksong-2 (KN-15) on May 21 from Bukchang-Ri
NK supposedly made the threat by firing KN-15 eastward but showing China's lay of the land by focusing westward.

"NK clearly showed Dalian & Liaodong peninsulas. Bohai & Yellow Seas also shown. NK also deliberately focused on Beijing covered in smog"
Afterwards KJU ordered "mass production" of K-15. Kezai thinks this may have been a veiled threat to Xi Jingping, who's known to despise KJU

Kezai's columnist: "NK may not yet have the precision necessary to strike Washington, DC but it can easily target Beijing w its KN-15 IRBM"
The veiled threat relayed through Pukguksong-2 footage & the actual threat verbalized by KWP official now circulating in China, per Kezai


NK is a violent, deadbeat husband in a small town everyone approaches with a mix of threats and humouring in order to keep him from smashing up the place in a drunken fury.


They way you approach that sort of guy is to put a bullet through his noggin from 400 meters when he isn't expecting it.

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This is the first time I have read a piece that claims we NOW have anything BUT bad military options.
When I was a young RD-3 in Nam my Chief told me " Kid, In war sometimes there just aint no good options.
Sometimes the skipper has to Pick the best of a bad bunch and make it work."

Been my experience BMC Moran, God bless his soul, knew exactly what he was talking about.

What do you folks think of it?


It’s Time to Consider a Military Option on the Korean Peninsula
The conventional approach to Pyongyang guarantees future rogue regimes will seek to join the nuclear club
by Conrad Black

It has become a truism in the continuing North Korean crisis to say that there is no good military option, but in fact there is.

It is perfectly understandable that the U.S. administration would publicly acquiesce in this conventional wisdom; as it warns Kim that there will be repercussions to his provocations, in order to build the record of having put him on notice without rattling his demented overconfidence of his invulnerability. The reaction to Tuesday’s North Korean missile-firing directly over Japan has elicited the response of official indications that repetitions will be shot down by anti-missile defense systems the United States has deployed in Japan and South Korea. Both veteran Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe and the new South Korean president Moon Jae-in, who was elected on a platform of reconciliation with North Korea, are now in grateful lock-step with the United States in purposeful response.

President Donald Trump told Chinese president Xi Jinping in Palm Beach in April that if China did not join the U.S. in deterring and containing the North Korean regime, the U.S. would do it itself. Following Tuesday’s new provocation, the Pentagon intimated that it was pre-positioning increased military strike capabilities to the Far East and the South Koreans engaged in live bombing exercises very close to the 38th Parallel that divides the Korean Peninsula.
IMVHO, this is the money shot but I don't know enough about the how to evaluate it. This is where i need your help and YOU know who you are.
The fact is that if a carefully-planned swarm-attack of low-flying cruise missiles was launched against the North Korean artillery massed across the frontier, just 35 miles from the immense South Korean capital city, Seoul, as well as at all North Korean missile launchers, and research and missile storage facilities, it would denuclearize the North and eliminate its power of intimidation against the South.

It is not inconceivable that a few artillery rounds would hit the metropolis of Seoul, but if a general air alert was ordered at the same time as the attacks, casualties would be minimal and physical damage would not be five per cent of what London and other British cities endured during World War II, (not to mention enemy cities such as Berlin and Tokyo whose centers were razed to rubble and ashes by the Allied air forces).


As the attacks occurred, the U.S. could warn North Korea, directly and via China, that if any attack were launched against any American or allied sites, the North Korean regime would be obliterated, but that if there were no military response, the United States and its allies would not seek regime change in the North or the reunification of Korea. It is inconceivable that, in these circumstances, the Chinese would not sternly counsel Pyongyang to stand down. China does not want a nuclear North Korea, or a reunited Korea, which would shortly become a second Japan in industrial and strategic terms, immediately adjacent to it. Again IMVHO, China's dog KIM has slipped the leash and now is more dependent on Iranian financing to make himself and his regime impregnable with a viable ICBM deliverable nuclear weapons. I also believe the day after Kim has them Iran will have everything it needs to follow suit in short order. This all goes back to the premise if you want to protect yourself from the USA you have to have nukes and a means of hitting the USA with them. We lost in Name because LBJ and Mac were convinced our victory "might" trigger a nuclear response form the Chi Comms or Soviets. They saw what happened to Sadm and Cadafi, etc.

While it is entirely appropriate that the American administration never refers to such a possibility of this option, for the reason stated above, it is indicative of the ineptitude of the national media and the defeatism and anti-Americanism (or at least anti-Trumpism) of the European and Canadian media, that such a possibility is never mentioned.

It is in this respect reminiscent of the Iran hostage crisis of 1979-1981, when ‘America Held Hostage’ became a popular nightly newscast and the Western media generally expressed universal pessimism about the possibility of resolving the crisis. Some day we will know exactly what the incoming Reagan administration privately said to Iran that caused its government to release the hostages as Reagan was being inaugurated in Washington.

All the tired palaver about negotiating patiently with China about constraining North Korea is practically beside the point. It won’t unmake North Korea as a nuclear military power, and it won’t deter Iran from becoming one, at the latest at the end of the ten-year life of the shabby agreement President Obama sponsored with that terrorism-supporting country. Iran and North Korea have exposed the fraudulence of the non-proliferation regime, in which the existing nuclear powers made the spurious promise to pursue joint self-disarmament. The best that can be salvaged is a nuclear club from which psychopathically governed countries such as North Korea and Iran are excluded.

President Trump said on Tuesday that “All options are on the table.” There is only one that will work, and it should be very seriously considered.

Conrad Black was the chairman of the London Daily Telegraph and many other newspapers for 15 years, is a financier, historian and biographer of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Richard Nixon, and comments widely. He is a member of the British House of Lords.

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I am more convinced every day Kim has slipped the leash. He is no longer China's scary dog but gone feral because he does not need china any longer. Iran is funding him, thanks in large part to the Obama regime. As soon as he has a viable force of nuclear armed ICBMs with demonstrated ability to hit the USA he will be invulnerable and he can blackmail his neighbors for as much as he wants. Someone want to show me how this belief is wrong /

North Korea has released pictures that appear to reveal is has either completed or is in the process of developing even more significant ballistic missile designs that use solid fuel rocket motors. Of all the images, two stood out most to experts, who immediately highlighted their significant on social media. One showed Kim in a room with two posters depicting heretofore unknown ballistic missiles types, the Hwasong-13 and Pukguksong-3, while another had him walking past what looked to be a wound filament solid fuel rocket fuel motor. [the Pukguksong-3 would use a solid fuel rocket engine./b].

The existing members of the Pukguksong family are the Pukguksong-1 submarine-launched ballistic missile, also known as the KN-11, and the land-mobile Pukguksong-2, or KN-15, a two-stage derivative of the earlier design that troops can fire from a tracked transporter-erector-launcher. North Korea first demonstrated the KN-11 in 2016 and the KN-15 in February 2017.

The important difference between these weapons and many of North Korea’s other ballistic missiles, including the Hwasong-14 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), is their solid fuel propellant. This means troops have to spend far less time preparing them to fire
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[b]North Korea’s Solid-Fuel Missiles Are Scarier Than Another Nuclear Test


During the annual Day of the Sun military parade, North Korea showed off new solid-fuel rocket technology for its medium- and longer-range missiles, which if Pyongyang can perfect, would significantly shorten its rockets’ launch time. This would make the North Korean military more capable of fighting a nuclear war, while sharply increasing the risk of a conflict.

North Korea relies on fully- or partially-liquid fueled systems for its longest-range weapons, such as the Taepodong, Masudan and Rodong rockets. Liquid fuel has advantages and disadvantages.
What are the advantages? They’re not as complicated to build and the fuel is highly energetic—useful when a rocket is fighting gravity in the boost phase after lifting off. The biggest downside is that liquid fuel is highly corrosive and will eat away at the missiles from the inside out, requiring the North Koreans to fuel them up shortly before launch.

Obviously, that’s a distinct disadvantage for the DPRK were a war to break out, let alone a nuclear one which could come down to a matter of minutes. North Korea would have to take pains to hide its missiles the best it could while it fueled them up—while praying that U.S. satellites won’t spot them.

That’s not easy, as the logistics behind gassing up a liquid-fuel rocket are extensive. Solid fuel, by contrast, is more stable and built-in with the missile. They’re more technically complicated to make, but more or less ready to fire.
That’s why experts are closely studying several launchers on display this year, such as these enclosed missile tubes attached to imported Chinese-made transporter erector launchers.
The enclosed tube is to protect a solid-fueled rocket underneath, although obviously we can’t peek inside and take a look. The missiles inside could be prototypes.

Another relatively new missile on display is the KN-15—a.k.a. Pukguksong-2—a land-based version of North Korea’s KN-11 submarine-launched ballistic missile, powered by a solid fuel motor.
Pyongyang wheeled out the KN-11 for display as well.

Worryingly, since solid-fuel rockets are more compact, they’re a good fit for mobile launchers—and the launchers don’t have to stay put for too long since the fuel is contained. That can be quite destabilizing, as it will be harder for the United States, South Korea and Japan to know whether an attack is imminent during a crisis.
North Korea is small but mountainous, which limits room to maneuver but gives more places for missiles to hide. Pyongyang can simply stash its missiles inside tunnels or caves, drive them out, aim and fire.

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I have seen an article claiming the NORK is using Ukrainian booster sections. The Ukrainians need the money and will sell to anyone. If they are, in fact, supplying NORK, I would tell Putin that he is free to invade and rape the place. But it is equally possible that the NORKs are using Russian booster, which are identical. That puts the shoe on the other foot.

I still think that Russia and China are the key to the NORK crisis. They stand to lose a lot if NORK goes hot. In the case of China, the economic crisis could trigger regime change.

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The rotund little so and so is posing for pictures with his 'hydrogen bomb'.
https://www.nknews.org/2017/09/kim-jong ... ign=buffer


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Edit: In the upper left of the picture over the guy's shoulder is that a diagram of the warhead configuration?


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And Lil Kim has apparently tested another Nuclear device in the last few hours.

Media is calling it an artificial earthquake. I guess because it was picked up by seismographs and everybody knows those are for detecting earthquakes. :roll:

I suppose we could send them some aftershocks. :)



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No use worrying about Kim's H bomb when we are all doomed by his secret Spec War Biplane.
You folks still laughing because I want to retain the Boarding Pike? Enjoy :lol: :lol:

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One Of North Korea's Most Dangerous Weapons Is The Ancient An-2 Biplane
North Korea's massive fleet of clunky old Soviet-era biplanes has a far more sinister purpose than many realize.


With tensions between North Korea and the U.S., South Korea, and its allies at an all time high, and as the U.S. and South Korea execute combat drills, Pyongyang ordered its own military show of force. North Korea's recent exercises included a massive artillery barrage and an amphibious assault near the maritime border between the two long time foes. Images released by state media shows North Korea's modernized commando units going through their paces, but one picture was of especially unique interest.

a gaggle of An-2 biplanes dropping North Korean commandos at low altitude. At first glance it just looks like another canned and somewhat laughable military display by the North Koreas, but it's actually relevant practice for what North Korea has planned for the opening hours of an all-out conflict on the peninsula.

During the dark of night, as part of the opening throws of a battle royale between South Korea, the U.S. and North Korea, hundreds of these old radial engine biplanes will fly low over the ground at slow speed, penetrating deep into South Korean airspace. For the vast majority of their crews it will be a one-way mission—to deliver Kim Jong Un's hardest shock troops deep behind enemy lines. This is done via low altitude air drop, as seen above, or by landing in short stretches of fields or roadways.

The missions of these North Korean suicide assault teams are many fold, but generally they pertain to creating total havoc deep inside South Korean territory. This includes attacking key infrastructure and military installations, and generally sowing massive terror among the already frightened South Korean populace. This deep insertion tactic alone is one of the main reasons why installations like air bases in South Korea must be prepared for instant war, even on the foot soldier level.

The fact that North Korea is now a nuclear nation and seems to have at least a workable miniaturized warhead design means these biplanes pose an even greater risk than ever before—they could also become a non-traditional nuclear delivery system. It is just the unorthodox play that Pyongyang could use to take out major military installations or critical capabilities without using a ballistic missile.

It may seem downright laughable at first glance that North Korea would throw up antiquated agricultural/utility aircraft which were designed the better part of a century ago against the might of the USAF and ROKAF, but first glances can be very deceiving. The An-2 Colt is a fabric covered flying machine that is at home muscling through the sky at very low altitudes and slow airspeed. This translates into a small radar cross-section for its size, one that is hard to spot by fighters using their radars in look-down-shoot-down mode. Flying at low altitude means traditional surface-to-air missile systems will have a very hard time of detecting and engaging these aircraft as they plot along south, hugging the terrain.
Their slow speed also plays nasty tricks on pulse doppler radars whose velocity gates (filters) often discount relatively slow moving objects, especially when they are moving at oblique angles from the radar emitter. Even Washington DC, arguably the most surveilled and highly secured airspace in the United States, along with its elaborate integrated air defense system, couldn't spot a slow moving target with a small radar cross section even as it flew down the National Mall and landed on the Capitol's lawn.

Finally, the old adage that quantity has a quality all its own rings true with the An-2 and North Korea's war plans. North Korea has the ability to fill the sky with roughly 300 of these aircraft. During a time of war, there wouldn't be enough fighter aircraft or surface to air missile batteries to shoot them down even if they could be detected and successfully engaged. Additionally, it is well assumed by Pyongyang that they will lose many of these aircraft, but that's the hardcore nature of the tactics behind their use. Even if half the fleet is lost, still thousands of shock commandos will be on the ground in South Korea causing mayhem.

Also keep in mind, even if runways can be cratered before these aircraft can get into the air during the opening actions of a major conflict, they can takeoff from virtually anywhere. With all this in mind, maybe the best defense against these aircraft are large amounts of short-range air defense systems (SHORADS) placed all over the country. These systems can spot and engage low flying aircraft with small radar cross sections.
But the truth is that there are only a limited number of these types of systems deployed by the U.S. or the ROK. But even these systems couldn't provide anywhere near reliable coverage over the entirety of airspace south of the DMZ, and they can only engage a handful of targets until their magazines run dry. As such, it seems like this threat will be largely dealt with once the commandos are already on the ground.

Once again, the mainstream media has been quick to disregard North Korea's dated arsenal. This is the same reason why so many underestimated the country's ability to field a nuclear weapon and long-range delivery system by the end of the decade.

The cold, hard truth is that the North Koreans aren't stupid and their outlandish rhetoric and propaganda hide the existence of a much more logical and creative military apparatus than most would care to admit. Their seemingly innocuous fleet of AN-2 biplanes is just another reminder of this reality.

Screw it! Today, I'm going to have a nice lunch, down a few brews and smoke some hand rolled cigars with an old friend I don't see anywhere near enough. Don't get too much better than that. :D

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China 'strongly condemns' N. Korean nuclear test: foreign ministry

AFP News AFP NewsSeptember 3, 2017

China strongly condemned North Korea's Sunday nuclear test, slamming Pyongyang for ignoring international condemnation of its atomic weapons programme.

North Korea "has ignored the international community's widespread opposition, again carrying out a nuclear test. China's government expresses resolute opposition and strong condemnation toward this," the foreign ministry said in a statement on its website.

"We strongly urge the DPRK (North Korea) to face the strong will of denuclearisation from the international community, earnestly abide by the relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council, stop taking mistaken actions which worsen the situation and are also not in line with its own interests, and effectively return to the track of solving the problem through dialogue," it added.

The test was North Korea's sixth and far more powerful than any weapon it has previously detonated.

Pyongyang declared the test of what it called a hydrogen bomb to be a "perfect success."

Beijing is North Korea's main diplomatic ally and economic supporter and is seen as playing a crucial role in efforts to get Pyongyang to curb its weapons programme.

The test came just hours before Chinese President Xi Jinping was scheduled to open a summit of BRICs nations in southern China.

North Korea's actions create a potentially embarrassing situation for Xi, who is preparing for a politically sensitive gathering of the ruling Communist Party in October, at which he aims to further consolidate his power.

The leader chose not to address the test during his more than 40-minute address to the assembled leaders of Russia, India, South Africa and Brazil.

It was the second time this year that North Korea has timed a weapons test to coincide with a major international political gathering in China.

In May Pyongyang fired a ballistic missile as leaders from 29 nations gathered in Beijing for a summit touting China's new Silk Road project.

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And Lil Kim has apparently tested another Nuclear device in the last few hours.

Media is calling it an artificial earthquake. I guess because it was picked up by seismographs and everybody knows those are for detecting earthquakes. :roll:

I suppose we could send them some aftershocks. :)



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/no ... 281d59980e


Geez.... I post one little picture and all heck breaks loose. :lol:

Rotund dude got a 6.3 earthquake out of it too.

Edit: Monitoring station in Norway did a press release showing the seismograph readings of the various tests. This one looks kinda large...


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https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-pres ... 4-984.html


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nomad990 wrote:
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And Lil Kim has apparently tested another Nuclear device in the last few hours.

Media is calling it an artificial earthquake. I guess because it was picked up by seismographs and everybody knows those are for detecting earthquakes. :roll:

I suppose we could send them some aftershocks. :)



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/no ... 281d59980e


Geez.... I post one little picture and all heck breaks loose. :lol:

Rotund dude got a 6.3 earthquake out of it too.

Edit: Monitoring station in Norway did a press release showing the seismograph readings of the various tests. This one looks kinda large...


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https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-pres ... 4-984.html


Well that yield rules out a pure fission device I believe. We are either talking boosted fission or a true thermonuclear device at that yield. This really is a step-change for the Fat Leader's capabilities to do harm unfortunately.


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nomad990 wrote:
PLB wrote:
And Lil Kim has apparently tested another Nuclear device in the last few hours.

Media is calling it an artificial earthquake. I guess because it was picked up by seismographs and everybody knows those are for detecting earthquakes. :roll:

I suppose we could send them some aftershocks. :)



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/no ... 281d59980e


Geez.... I post one little picture and all heck breaks loose. :lol:

Rotund dude got a 6.3 earthquake out of it too.

Edit: Monitoring station in Norway did a press release showing the seismograph readings of the various tests. This one looks kinda large...


Image


https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-pres ... 4-984.html


Well that yield rules out a pure fission device I believe. We are either talking boosted fission or a true thermonuclear device at that yield. This really is a step-change for the Fat Leader's capabilities to do harm unfortunately.


They appear to be making incredible progress compared to our testing and development in the 40s and 50s.

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China initiated a Fat Man class weapon on October 16, 1964. Thirty-two months later they initiated a 3-stage thermonuclear weapon that was dropped by a Tu-16/H-6 bomber and yielded 3.3 megatons.


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I have seen an article claiming the NORK is using Ukrainian booster sections. The Ukrainians need the money and will sell to anyone. If they are, in fact, supplying NORK, I would tell Putin that he is free to invade and rape the place. But it is equally possible that the NORKs are using Russian booster, which are identical. That puts the shoe on the other foot.

I still think that Russia and China are the key to the NORK crisis. They stand to lose a lot if NORK goes hot. In the case of China, the economic crisis could trigger regime change.

It's a suspect report, appeared to have originated in Russia.
The Ukrainians denied it rather strongly, suggesting that Russia was trying to deflect blame. Ie the technology NK is using is Russian in origin.
The Ukrainians also released some video of a sting operation against NK agents a few years ago who were trying to secure rocket tech from Ukrainian sources. This was done to support the claim that they are in no way cooperating with NK.

Also, they need western support a lot more than they need money right now, and they know that that will be a lot less forthcoming if they give NK this kind of tech.

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